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  1. Spanish Weapon Member

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    אז צדקתי בהתערבות עם חבר שלי.

    הוא אמר שהמראקנה יותר גדול מהאצטקה ואני אמרתי שהאצטקה יותר גדול.

    יש מצב רציני שהאיצטדיון של האיראנים הוא הכי גדול כי אני יודע שכל משחק שלהם יש 120,000 מחבלים.
     
  2. M_T_A Member

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    כן תיארתי לעצמי בקשר למריו פיליו... ד"א מישהו מכיר עוד אתר איצטדיונים חוץ מוורלד סטאדיומס?
     
  3. Obafemi משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    אטו, המראקנה מחזיק בשיא אוהדים למשחק אחד - 200,000 בגמר מונדיאל 50 בין ברזיל לאורוגוואי, האיצטדיון עצמו הכיל אז 130,000 מקומות בלבד, אבל מראקנה צומצמם כבר מספר פעמים מסיבות בטחוניות
     
  4. Spanish Weapon Member

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    את זה אני יודע.

    תודה

    http://www.asoccer.co.il/forum/html/emoticons/smile.Xxx
     
  5. ozi Member

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    מיכאל, בשבילך החישוב המלא, תבלה!

    OVERVIEW OF BASIC PRINCIPLES AND METHOD OF CALCULATION

    The basic idea behind the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Rankings is the same as that for a normal championship: a team can win a certain number of points for each match, depending on the results, and the points are totalled. The association with the highest total is at the top of the ranking list.

    But by contrast to normal league championships, for the World Ranking a team's points for a match do not depend solely on whether they win, lose or draw. Also affecting the total for a match will be the number of goals scored and conceded, the venue and the importance of the match. In addition, the strength of the opponent is considered, so that a win over a weakly rated opponent will earn fewer points than one against a strongly rated one. This means that a win will not simply bring two or three points and a draw one, as would happen in a national league. The calculation is more complicated since it incorporates the factors mentioned above.

    To make the ranking list more understandable, the 1999 revision has been "scaled up". Previously, a win could earn between one and three points; now the scale has been multiplied by ten, so a win can bring between ten and thirty points, according to the opponent. The overall totals of teams in the list will from now on range from 0 up to about 800 points.

    The following sections give details of the individual weighting criteria, and the results of applying these principles can be seen in some examples in Section 4.

    3.1. Winning, drawing or losing

    Naturally a win will bring more points than a defeat in any system, but simply giving two or three points for a win, one for a draw and none for a defeat, would not fully meet all the requirements for a reliable world-wide ranking system.

    Therefore the distribution of points also takes into consideration the relative strengths of the two teams. In practice this means that a win over a weaker opponent will earn fewer points than victory over an equally rated or stronger one. It is also possible for a weak team that puts up a good show against a stronger one to earn points in defeat - though as a general rule not as many as the stronger team that beat them. (see example in Section 4).

    A special exception is made for matches that are decided on penalties; the winning team earns the full number of points for a win, while the losing team gets the number of points that would have been awarded for a draw.

    3.2 Number of goals

    A further factor taken into consideration is the number of goals scored and conceded in a match. Here too the distribution of these points depends on the relative strengths of the two teams. In other words, a goal scored by the lower-rated team will be weighted more than one scored by the higher-rated side. On the other side of the balance sheet, points are deducted for goals conceded. To encourage attacking football with more goals, goals conceded are weighted less than goals scored. In matches decided on penalties, only goals scored during regular playing time or extra time are considered in the calculation.

    A possible "overweighting" of goals is avoided by attaching more importance to the first goal that a team scores than to any subsequent ones. On the whole, the number of goals scored can never earn as many points as would be awarded for a win. This is in accordance with the general principle that while more goals may make the result look more impressive, in the final reckoning - as in normal league championships - it is winning or losing that is decisive.



    3.3 Home and away games

    To make an allowance for the extra handicap of playing away from home, the away-team is awarded a small bonus of 3 points. For games played on neutral territory or during World Cup final rounds there are no such bonus points.

    3.4 Status of a match

    The importance of a game is also considered - a World Cup encounter is weighted more heavily than a friendly match. The method applied here is to use a pre-calculated factor by which the points totals of a given match are multiplied.

    The factors used are:

    Friendly match x 1.00
    Continental championship preliminary x 1.50
    World Cup preliminary match x 1.50
    Continental championship finals match x 1.75
    FIFA Confederations Cup match x 1.75
    World Cup finals match x 2.00
    This means that qualifying matches are weighted 50% higher than friendlies, continental final round matches 75 % higher and matches during World Cup finals twice as much.

    3.5 Regional strength factors

    It is accepted that there are differences in strength between the various continents. To take these into account in an objective manner, weighting factors are worked out each year for each of the confederations. The basis of evaluation for each continent is the performance of its teams in direct intercontinental encounters. At the end of every year a continental ranking list is calculated, based on the same criteria as used for the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking.

    Taken into consideration are not all the intercontinental matches played by teams from a given continent, but only the direct confrontations between the strongest teams from each continent. Specifically this means that what is included are matches between the best 25 per cent of the teams from a given continent (with a minimum of 5 teams being considered). This way the danger is averted of errors possibly being introduced by considering matches between strong teams of a weak confederation against weak teams of a strong one.

    The weightings are applied in the form of multiplication factors for teams from the same continent (see below). If teams from two different confederations are involved then the factor applied is the average of the two continental weightings.

    For 2005, the following weighting factors will apply:

    UEFA x 1.00
    CONMEBOL x 0.99
    CAF x 0.96
    CONCACAF x 0.94
    AFC x 0.93
    OFC x 0.93


    3.6 Summary

    Based on the above considerations, the total number of points credited to a team after a match will depend on the following criteria:

    Points for winning, drawing or losing
    Plus the points for goals scored in this game
    Minus points for the goals conceded
    Plus a bonus for the away team
    Multiplied by the appropriate factor for the status of the match
    Multiplied by the appropriate factor for regional strength
    The number of points for a win, draw or loss, as well as for the number of goals scored or conceded is dependent on the strength of the opponent. In order not to punish a lack of success too severely, a negative points total is rounded up to 0.00.

     
  6. burning soil Member

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    אני לא מאמין שלריאה קינגסטון(ההוא ששיחק בהבועל) אשכרה בסגל של גאנה שקרובה
    להעפיל למונדיאל !
     
  7. Obafemi משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    ואו, אז סתם אני שנים יורד על פיפ"א, תראו מה זה, יום אחד והדיון הזה כבר קמקם את כל האידיאולוגיה אנטי-פיפא"ית שלי.

    אני עדיין לא מבין אבל איך לעזאזל ארה"ב ומקסיקו מדורגות 6-7 אם ככה.
     
  8. אלסנדרו דל פיירו Member

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    את הסגל של נבחרת מכסיקו אם מישהו יכול להשיג אני יודה לו.
    היה להם פעם שחקן די טוב ששיחק בויאריאל אם אני לא טועה. ברח לי השם שלו.
    הוא שיחק או משחק בוראקרוז שוב אם אני לא טועה חחחחח
     
  9. ozi Member

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    כנראה שעדיין משהו דפוק בשיטה הזאת.. שהיא נשמעת מטופשת בפני עצמה, כי לפני כל משחק (ולו הזניח ביותר) הם צריכים לקבוע את מידת הפייבוריטיות של נבחרת מול יריבתה. משהו כמו היחסים שנותנים בווינר ובסוכנויות הימורים, אבל לכל משחק בינלאומי שמתקיים איפשהו..
     
  10. cazzo Il Capocuoco

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    120 אלף איראנים מסכנים דחוסים באיצטדיון "אזאדי" הכוונה חופש... http://www.asoccer.co.il/forum/html/emoticons/dry.Xxx
     
  11. Ampelmann Member

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    הנה לך

    GOALKEEPERS:
    Oswaldo Sanchez, Guadalajara
    Moises Munoz, Morelia

    DEFENDERS:
    Rafael Marquez, Barcelona
    Ricardo Osorio, Cruz Azul
    Francisco Javier Rodriguez, Guadalajara
    Carlos Salcido, Guadalajara
    Mario Mendez, Toluca

    MIDFIELDERS:
    Gerardo Diaz, Cruz Azul
    Gerardo Galindo, U.N.A.M
    Carlos Morales, Tigres
    Ramon Morales, Guadalajara
    Luis Perez, Monterrey
    Gonzalo Pineda, U.N.A.M
    Oscar Rojas, CF America
    Antonio Naelson "Zinha", Toluca

    FORWARDS:
    Jared Borgetti, Bolton
    Omar Bravo, Guadalajara
    Francisco Fonseca, Cruz Azul
    Alberto Medina, Guadalajara
     
  12. אלסנדרו דל פיירו Member

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    תודה רבה
     
    נערך לאחרונה ע"י מנהל: ‏11/9/05
  13. rainman משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    איפה טורס מסאנטנדר?[בסגל של מקסיקו]
     
  14. Alvaro Recoba משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    תודה על הפירוט בנושא הדירוג, שי. אם ככה, זה דווקא די משקף... זה גם מסביר למה אוסטרליה לא ראשונה בעולם http://www.asoccer.co.il/forum/html/emoticons/smile.Xxx
     
  15. rainman משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    ומה עם הדירוג של אופ"א,איך הוא הולך בדיוק?